Shooting with Hobie

I often have need for this.

Caliber	Lee	RCBS	Lyman	Hornady
10 mm	19	27	15	n/a
11 mm Mauser	n/a	22	n/a	n/a
17 Remington	4	10	26	16
218 Bee	6	1	n/a	7
219 Zipper	3	n/a	n/a	2
22 BR	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
22 Hornet	7	12	4	3
22 Hornet	20	12	4	3
22 K Hornet	7	12	n/a	3
22 K Hornet	20	12	n/a	3
22 Remington Jet	1	6	n/a	6
22 Savage	3	2	n/a	n/a
22/250	2	3	2	1
220 Swift	10	11	5	4
221 Fireball	4	10	26	16
222 Remington	4	10	26	16
222 Remington Magnum	4	10	26	16
223 (5.56 mm)	4	10	26	16
224 Clark (22/257)	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
225 Winchester	10	n/a	n/a	18
240 Weatherby	2	3	n/a	n/a
243 Winchester	2	3	2	1
244 Remington	2	3	2	1
25 ACP	15	29	32	37
25/06	2	3	2	1
25/20 Winchester	6	1	10	7
25/284	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
25/35	3	2	n/a	n/a
250 Savage	2	3	2	1
256 Winchester Magnum	1	n/a	n/a	6
257 Roberts	2	3	2	1
257 Roberts Improved	2	3	n/a	n/a
257 Weatherby	5	4	n/a	5
260 Remington	n/a	3	2	n/a
264 Winchester Magnum	5	4	n/a	5
270 Weatherby	5	4	n/a	5
270 Win S Mag	5	43	34	n/a
270 Winchester	2	3	2	1
280 Remington	2	3	2	n/a
284 Winchester	2	3	n/a	1
30 BR	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
30 Herrett	3	n/a	n/a	n/a
30 Luger	19	1	12	8
30 Luger	6	1	12	8
30 M 1 Carbine	7	17	19	22
30 Mauser	6	1	12	n/a
30 Mauser	19	1	12	n/a
30 Remington	n/a	19	n/a	n/a
30-338 Win Mag	n/a	4	n/a	n/a
30-378 Weatherby Mag	n/a	14	n/a	n/a
30-40 Krag	5	7	n/a	n/a
30/06 Springfield	2	3	2	1
30/30 Winchester(30 W.C.F.)	3	2	6	2
30/40 Krag (30 U.S.)	5	n/a	n/a	11
300 H&H	5	4	n/a	5
300 Rem Short Ultra Mag	n/a	38	13	n/a
300 Remington Ultra Mag	n/a	n/a	13	n/a
300 Savage	2	3	2	1
300 Ultra Magnum	5	38	n/a	n/a
300 Weatherby	5	4	13	5
300 Win Short Magnum	5	43	34	n/a
300 Winchester Magnum	5	4	13	5
303 British	5	7	7	n/a
303 Savage	n/a	21	n/a	33
303/25	5	n/a	n/a	n/a
307 Winchester	3	n/a	6	n/a
307 Winchester	n/a	2	6	n/a
308 Norma Magnum	5	4	n/a	n/a
308 Winchester(7.62 NATO)	2	3	2	1
32 ACP [Auto	7	17	23	22
32 ACP [Universal ]	7B	17	23	22
32 Colt N.P.	4	n/a	n/a	n/a
32 H&R Mag	n/a	23	9	n/a
32 Long Colt	4	n/a	n/a	n/a
32 S&W	4	n/a	n/a	36
32 S&W Long	4	23	9	36
32 Short Colt	4	n/a	n/a	n/a
32 Winchester Special	3	2	6	2
32 WinchesterS.L.	3	n/a	n/a	n/a
32-40 WCF	3	2	n/a	n/a
32/20 (32 W.C.F.)	6	1	10	n/a
32/40 Winchester	3	2	n/a	n/a
33 Winchester	8	n/a	n/a	n/a
338 – 06	n/a	3	n/a	n/a
338 Laupa	n/a	14	n/a	n/a
338 Remington Ultra Mag	n/a	n/a	13	n/a
338 Ultra Magnum	5	38	n/a	n/a
338 Win Short Mag	n/a	43	n/a	n/a
338 Winchester Magnum	5	4	13	5
340 Weatherby	5	4	n/a	5
348 Winchester	8	5	n/a	25
35 Remington	2	9	2	26
35 Whelan	2	3	2	n/a
35 Winchester	5	n/a	n/a	n/a
350 Remington Magnum	5	4	n/a	5
356 TSW	n/a	1	n/a	n/a
356 Winchester	3	2	6	n/a
357 Auto Magnum	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
357 Magnum	1	6	1	6
357 Maximum	1	6	1	6
358 Norma Magnum	5	n/a	n/a	n/a
358 Winchester	2	3	2	1
375 H&H	5	4	13	5
375 Rem Ultra Mag	5	38	13	n/a
375 Weatherby	5	n/a	n/a	n/a
375 Winchester	3	2	6	n/a
376 Styer	11	42	n/a	n/a
378 Weatherby Mag	n/a	14	n/a	n/a
38 ACP	19	n/a	n/a	n/a
38 ACP	6	n/a	n/a	n/a
38 Casull	n/a	3	n/a	n/a
38 Colt N.P.	1	n/a	n/a	n/a
38 Long Colt	1	n/a	n/a	n/a
38 S&W	1	6	21	28
38 Short Colt	1	n/a	n/a	n/a
38 Special	1	6	1	6
38 Super Auto	6	39	12	8
38 Super Auto	19	39	12	n/a
38/40 Winchester	14	35	n/a	n/a
38/55 Winchester	3	2	6	2
380 Auto	4	10	26	16
40 S&W	19	27	15	n/a
40-65 Sharps	n/a	14	17	n/a
40-70 Sharps Straight	n/a	n/a	33	n/a
40/82 Winchester	8	n/a	n/a	n/a
400 Corbon	n/a	3	n/a	n/a
404 Jeffery	n/a	41	n/a	n/a
405 Winchester	n/a	24	n/a	n/a
408 Winchester	3	n/a	n/a	n/a
41 Action Express	6	n/a	n/a	n/a
41 Action Express	19	n/a	n/a	n/a
41 Long Colt	1	n/a	n/a	n/a
41 Magnum	9	30	30	29
416 Remington	5	4	n/a	n/a
416 Rigby	8	37	17	n/a
43 Mauser	18	n/a	n/a	n/a
43 Spanish	17	22	n/a	n/a
43 Spanish	17	n/a	n/a	n/a
44 Auto Magnum	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
44 Magnum	11	18	7	30
44 S&W Russian	11	18	n/a	n/a
44 S&W Special	11	18	7	30
44/40	14	35	14B	n/a
444 Marlin	11	28	14B	27
45 Auto (ACP)	2	3	2	1
45 Auto Rim	13	8	n/a	n/a
45 Colt	14	20	11	32
45 Colt	11	20	11	32
45 Scholfield	11	n/a	14B	n/a
45 Winchester Magnum	2A	36	2	n/a
45-100	n/a	n/a	17	n/a
45-110	n/a	n/a	17	n/a
45-120	n/a	n/a	17	n/a
45-70 Government	8	14	17	14
45-90	n/a	n/a	17	n/a
450 Marlin	5	4	13	n/a
454 Casull	11	20	11	n/a
455 Webley	5	38	n/a	n/a
458 WinchesterMagnum	5	4	n/a	5
460 Weatherby Magnum	n/a	14	n/a	n/a
475 Linebaugh	5	40	n/a	n/a
475 Wildy	n/a	n/a	2	n/a
480 Ruger	5	40	n/a	n/a
5.6 x 50 Ri mmed	n/a	6	1	n/a
50 Action Express	11	33	7	n/a
50-70 Government	n/a	31	22	n/a
50-90	n/a	n/a	22	n/a
500 S&W	n/a	44	n/a	n/a
6 mm 06	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
6 mm Int 'l	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
6 mm Remington	2	3	n/a	n/a
6 mm/284	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
6 x 47 (6 mm/222M)	4	n/a	n/a	n/a
6.5 / 06	2	3	n/a	n/a
6.5 Carcano	2	n/a	n/a	n/a
6.5 Jap	10	15	n/a	n/a
6.5 Remington Magnum	5	n/a	5	n/a
6.5 x 54 Manlicher-Schoenauer	n/a	9	n/a	n/a
6.5 x 55 Mauser	3	2	27	n/a
6.5 x 57	2	3	2	n/a
6.5 x 57R Mauser	n/a	n/a	14B	n/a
6.5 x 68S	n/a	34	n/a	n/a
7 mm BR	2	3	n/a	n/a
7 mm Rem Short Ultra Mag	n/a	38	n/a	n/a
7 mm Remington Magnum	5	4	13	n/a
7 mm STW	n/a	4	13	n/a
7 mm TCU	4	10	26	n/a
7 mm Ultra Mag	5	38	13	n/a
7 mm Weatherby	5	4	13	5
7 mm Win S Mag	5	43	n/a	n/a
7 mm/08	2	3	2	1
7 x 30 Waters	3	2	6	n/a
7 x 57 mm Mauser	2	3	2	1
7 x 61 Sharpe&Hart	5	n/a	n/a	n/a
7 x 64 Brenneke	n/a	3	2	n/a
7 x 65 Ri mmed	n/a	26	14B	n/a
7.5 mm Schmidt	3	2	n/a	n/a
7.5 x 54 MAS	n/a	2	n/a	n/a
7.62 x 39	12	32	3	n/a
7.62 x 54 Russian	16	13	17	n/a
7.65 x 53 Arg.Mauser	3	n/a	2	n/a
7.65 x 53 Mauser	3	3	n/a	n/a
7.7 Jap.	2	3	n/a	n/a
7.9 x 57	n/a	n/a	2	n/a
8 mm 06	2	3	n/a	n/a
8 mm Lebel	17	1	n/a	n/a
8 mm Man.Schoe.	2	3	n/a	n/a
8 mm Nambu	n/a	25	n/a	n/a
8 mm Remington Magnum	5	4	13	5
8 mm x 68S Magnum	n/a	34	n/a	n/a
8 x 56R Hungarian	16	n/a	n/a	n/a
8 x 57 JRS	n/a	n/a	14B	n/a
8 x 57 JS	n/a	n/a	2	n/a
8 x 57 Mauser	2	3	2	1
9 mm LUGER	19	1	12	8
9 mm LUGER	6	1	12	8
9 mm Mak	n/a	1	12	n/a
9 x 21	19	1	12	8
9 x 23	19	1	12	8
9.3 mm x 74 Ri mmed	n/a	4	n/a	n/a
9.3 x 62 Mauser	n/a	3	2	n/a
PPC	12	32	n/a	n/a

Typically the conversation begins thusly...

I'm fairly new to the Winchesters and levers in general. On the NEF forum many have re-chambered their 357 Mag single shot rifles to .357 Maximum.

I realize the differences in the two type of guns and cartridges, but was wondering if anyone knew if a 357 Mag Winchester could chamber and eject the 357 Maximum? The Max is .315" longer overall.

The conversation then goes into the various .357/.38 cartridges and on and on...

I have a Max albeit in an other rifle (a Contender Carbine). With my background I am often asked for the "final word" on the subject.

I wouldn't mess with a perfectly good Winchester, unless you're positive the .357 Maximum has some kind of inherent qualities that improves it's performance over the .357 Magnum which I think is perfectly adequate in a rifle. Further, there are advantages to a rifle so chambered as compared to one chambered for the .357 Maximum. Increased power isn't always a better choice. Yes, the .357 Max can be loaded to approximate the .35 Remington but it is just cheaper to get the Marlin .35 Remington chambered rifle. Why not just get a .35 Remington? Because you can't shoot the .357 Magnum or .38 Special in it. The Magnum in a rifle approximates the Maximum in a pistol/revolver. The pressures are about the same for the .357 Mag and Max (SAAMI spec for the 357 Max is 40k psi, 5k more than the 357 Mag.) so overpressure is not an issue and the case head is the same, so bolt thrust is not an issue either.

I know of one person who converted a Marlin 1894C several years ago. The .357 Max cartridge is so long that by the time the action is opened up you get a very long (100 degrees?) rough lever throw. His would fire .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and .357 Maximum interchangeably but only if the lever is operated quickly and briskly. The Marlin M1894 had the lever throw increased because the bolt has to retract farther in order to clear the extra length of the loaded .357 Maximum round. That shooter did not feel that the expense was justified by the firearm's performance.

One shooter ordered a new Winchester 94 for this very project. The Winchester action is plenty long with room to spare. His view was that the .357 Maximum was operating at the same pressures as a .357 Magnum, the larger case of the Max allows for more powder, and will give more power than the magnum. It was supposed that the longer 94 action will make all the difference. Probably all that will be necessary is to run a 357 Max finish reamer in the chamber and take a file to the shoulder on the cartridge follower. Tycer L____ reports that his Winchester 94 .357 Magnum would actually accept .360 Dan Wesson ammunition. The .360 DW runs pretty close to .357 Maximum performance, but not quite.

It is true that most hunters do not handload, and it is reasonable to start a youngster on a gun with light .38 Special ammo and work up to some heavy Buffalo Bore, Cor-Bon, or Grizzly .357 Magnum or Maximum for hunting. There are no really light recoiling .30-30 loads for the non-handloader, but there are plenty of .38 Specials out there, at low cost. It could even double as a small game gun with wadcutters, and is excellent for self defense. As the child grows older and taller, a thick recoil pad can be added to increase the length of pull to the normal 13 1/2 inches.

Paco Kelly once responded with this...

I WAITED FOR EVERYONE TO GET THEIR FEELINGS OUT... HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS... FIRST YOU NEED AN EXCELLENT GUNSMITH, NOT A PARTS CHANGER... THE BOLT HAS A BOLT STOP PIN, THAT CAN BE CHANGED FOR THE LONGER THROW...THAT TAKES KNOW HOW SO YOU DON'T HAVE OVER TRAVEL, YES IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER DRAW DOWN ON THE LEVER...AND IT WILL TAKE THE SAME DRAW FROM THAT TIME ON FOR 357S AND 38 SPECIALS, DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MARLIN... BUT IT'S NO PROBLEM WITH MY WINCHESTERS... THE REAL PROBLEMS... SOMETIMES WORK HAS TO BE DONE ON THE LIFTER TO ALLOW THE FULL LENGTH OF THE 357 MAXI WITH A GOOD SIZED CAST OR JACKETED BULLET TO CLEAR THE TUBE... AGAIN A GOOD GUNSMITH.. I HAVE HAD IT DONE TO TWO 94S ONE WAS A 20 INCH BARREL... THE OTHER WAS A 24 INCH BARREL, IN VELOCITY BOTH WERE WELL WORTH IT...THE 20" GAVE AROUND 250 FPS+ MORE AND THE 24 INCH GAVE ANOTHER 150+ OVER THAT.... IT IS WORTH IT IF YOU DON'T MIND THE COST OF GUNSMITHING...
I STILL HAVE THE 24 INCH BARREL XTR 94 AND IT IS A BEAUT... ACCURACY HASN'T CHANGED STILL GOOD TO EXCELLENT... THE POWDERS USED IN THE MAXI ROUND HAVE CHANGED FROM THE 357 POWDERS... MINE TENDS TO LIKE SLOWER THAN h110 AND ww296 THOUGH THEY DO WORK... OF COURSE AS MOST OF MY READERS KNOW I USE 2400 IN EVERYTHING.. BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE TOP VELOCITY... 4227 IS IN A GOOD BURNING RATE.... HOPE THIS HELPS THE REAL KEY IS THE GUNSMITH.... PACO

and later...

it was worth it... the efficiency of the cartridge and the velocity gain are significant... different gunsmiths will charge different prices... but it should be upper limit $150....paco

As I noted in my article on my Contender carbine, the straight wall case and ability to use carbide dies gave substantial advantage in case life and no need for sizing lube.

In my Max I can just get (with Lil'Gun) 2000 fps with 200 gr. bullets and 2150 fps with 180 gr. bullets. That is "max"ed out! Every rifle is different but I think that those fellows getting 2000 fps with 200 gr. bullets and H110/W296 are smokin' commo wire. Some are even using 2-4" shorter barrels than I am. I can't get those results (or even close) with H110/W296 without signs of excessive pressure.

It doesn't make sense that the MAG should come close to MAX performance and it doesn't in my rifle. I get 1650+ fps from the 180 gr. Rem SJHP and for 2000 fps must go to the 158 gr. (I used the XTP but the Gold Dot will do it as well).

One thing one can do, albeit at similar expense, is to rebarrel a .44 Mag 1894 to .357 Bain and Davis. This cartridge will give similar ballistic performance when compared to the .357 Max but not without effort. It is rightly saved as discussion for another time.

Here it is along with some more info!

Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
.31,.36. & .44		as cast	as cast	N/A	79 Pic 2		For Blackpowder Revolvers (Cap & Ball)
25 ACP		.252	50	PB	117		RGG
			55	PB	306		RGG;SM
25-20		.257	58		32GC		SGG;OCG;MM;GC
		.257	87	GC	54		See Photo for details
		.257	65		32		SGG;OCG;MM
7MM Nambu		.280	60	PB	134		RGG;OCG
8MM Nambu		.323,.321	100	PB	116		RGG
8mm Lebel Revolver		.323	125	PB	226		RGG,OCG;NDB;SM
30 Luger		.310	90	PB	93		SGG;MM
		.310	92	PB	113		RGG
30 M1 CARBINE		.308	113	PB	250		RGG;GC BASE
		.308	115	BB	254		Pic1 Pic2 Pic3 RGG
32 Auto		.309	83	PB	87		RGG
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
32 Revolver		.312,.313	40	PB	354		RGG;LM
		.312,.313	90	PB	299		RGG;SM
		.312,.313	85	PB	26-4		RGG;OCG;4DB
		.312,.313	98	PB	26-5		RGG;OCG;BB;SWS;MM
		.312,.313	98	PB	65		RGG;OCG;BB;SWS;MM
		.312,.313	98	PB	252		RGG;OCG;BB
		.312,.313	90	PB	S216		RGG;OCG;MM;RSWS
		.312,.313	100	PB	216		RGG;OCG;MM;RSWS
		.312,.313	200	PB	220		RGG;OCG;MM;RSWS
		.312,.313	115	PB	361		RGG;OCG;SM
32 S&W Long		.312	100	PB	65		RGG;OCG;LM;SWS;BB
		.312	100	PB	353		SGG;LEEF;LM
		.312	98	PB	66		See Photo
		.312	105	BB			RGG;SQUARE CORNERS;NO BEVELS
32-20		.312	115	PB	89		RGG;OCG;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
32-20		.312	115	PB	67		RGG;MM
		.312	115	BB	388		RGG;OCG;MM
32 H&R Mag		.313	106	PB			SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
380 Auto		.356	100	PB	S55		RGG;BB
9mm Luger		.356	98	BB	279		RGG;SM
		.356	115	BB	307		SGG
		.356	115	PB	308		RGG
		.356	125	PB	7		RGG
		.356	120	BB	115		RGG
		.356	125	BB	264		RGG;SWS;SM
		.356	125	BB	275		RGG;SWS;MM
		.356	125	BB	309		RGG;LM;BB
		.356	125	PB	310		RGG;BB
		.356	125	PB	318		RGG;RSWS;LM
		.356	125	PB	331		RGG
		.356	128	PB	317		RGG;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
9mm Luger		.356	135	BB	286		RGG;MM
		.356	135	BB	314		Pic2 Pic3 RGG;German Army Ogival
		.356	140	BB	313		RGG;OCG;ALSO FOR REVOLVER;SM
		.356	147	BB	378		RGG;SM
		.356	150	BB	363		SGG;LM
		.356	150	BB	377		RGG
9mm Makarov		.364	105	PB	375		RGG
38 Super		.356	115	BB	262		RGG;SWS;LM
		.356	130	PB	81		RGG;SWS;LM
		.356	130	PB	157		RGG;MM;RSWS
		.356	130	PB	583		RGG;OCG;SWS;MM
		.356	135	PB	55		BB
		.356	135	PB	161		RGG;MM;RSWS
		.356	145	PB	73		BB;SGG;OCG;SWS;SM
		.356	145	PB	123		RGG;SWS
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
38 Super		.356	150	PB	355		SGG;SWS;SM
		.356	152	BB	335		SGG;SWS;MM
		.356	155	BB	370		SGG;MM
		.356	158	BB	39BB		RGG;OCG
		.356	158	BB	316 Pic2		SGG;OCG;MM
38 Special		.356	145	PB	219		RGG;LEEF;LM
		.356	145	BB	259		RGG;SWS
		.356	146	PB	244		BB;RGG;OCG;LM
		.356	150	PB	248		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
38 SPCL/GOLD CUP Clark Conversions		.356	148	BB	50		BB;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
38 SPCL/.357 MAG		.358	62	PB	333		RGG;LM
		.356	148	BB	251		RGG;LM
		.356	148	BB	334		SGG;LEEF;LM
		.358	100		234		GC BASE,RGG;OCG;SWS;MM
		.358	110	PB	41		BB;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
38 SPCL/.357 MAG		.358	130	PB	246		SGG;SWS;MM
		.358	135	PB	272		SGG;OCG
		.358	140	BB	392		RGG;OCG;NDB
		.358	140	BB	313BB		RGG;OCG; also forrev. Bullet;SM
		.358	125	PB	313PB		RGG;OCG; also forrev. Bullet;SM
		.358	140		393		GC;RGG;OCG;LM
		.358	140	BB	511		SGG;OCG;MM
Harvey Style .38/.357 H.P.		.358	???	??	210		???????????
		.358	145	PB	63		BB;RGG;OCG
Same in .38 Super		.358	145	PB	73		BB;SGG;OCG;SM
		.358	146		159		RGG;OCG;SWS; tapered boattail;LM
.38 SPCL/.357 Mag.		.358	148	PB	50		BB;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	150	PB	9		BB;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	150	PB	12A		GC;RGG;MM
		.358	130	PB	12B		GC;RGG;MM
		.358	140	PB	12C		GC;RGG;MM
Special Combo Mould		.358/.452	Std		12C & 68		Special Combo Mould
12C Hollow Point Mould		.358	140	PB	12C H.P.		PB;RGG;MM
		.358	158	PB	17		Pic3 Pic4 Pic5 See Photo for Details
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
38 SPCL/.357 MAG		.358	150	PB	27		BB;RGG;OCG
		.358	150	PB	61		SGG;SWS;LM
		.358	150	PB	527		BB;RGG;SWS;
Same as Lyman 358156GC Ray Thompson Design		.356/.358	156	GC	135		GC;RGG;TCG;SWS;LM
		.358	156	PB	218		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	158	PB	28		BB;RGG;OCG
		.358	158	PB	36		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
Custom Design		.358	158	PB	36		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	158	PB	39		BB & GC BASE;RGG;OCG
		.358	158	PB	48		BB;RGG;OCG;LM
		.358	158	PB	49		Pic2 BB;RGG;OCG;MM
		.358	160	PB	47		PB;SGG;MM
		.358	158	PB	52		RGG
		.358	158	PB	260		RGG;SM
		.358	158	PB	316		BB;SGG;OCG;MM
Similar to Lyman 358477		.358	160	PB	51 Pic 2		BB,PB & GC BASE;SGG;OCG;LM
Hollow Point Version		.358	~155-160~	PB	51 H.P. Pic2		BB,PB, & GC BASE;SGG;OCG;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
38 SPCL/.357 MAG		.358	160	PB	236		GC;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	160	PB	290		BB;SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	160	BB	801BB		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	163	PB	64		SGG;OCG;SWS;MM
		.358	165	PB	37		BB;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	165	PB	56		RGG;OCG;TCG;SWS;LM
		.358	165		268		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	170		30		GC;RGG
		.358	170		394		GC;RGG;OCG;LM
KEITH STYLE		.358	173	PB	43		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.358	185		376		RGG;OCG;LM
		.358	190	PB	395		RGG;OCG;LM
		.358	125		322-3		RGG;OCG;3DB;SM
		.358	158		322-4		RGG;OCG;4DB;SM
		.358	190		322-4GC		RGG;OCG;3DB;SM;GC
		.358	175	PB	57-3		RGG;OCG;3DB;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
38 SPCL/.357 MAG		.358	200	PB	57-4		RGG;OCG;4DB;SM
		.358	200	PB	138		RGG;OCG
		.358	215	PB	257
		.358	230	BB	127		SGG;OCG;LM
357 Maximum		.357/.358	200		319		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.357/.358	200		320		GC;OCG;MM
		.357/.358	200		321		SGG;OCG;BOATTAIL BEVEL BASE;MM
375 Super Mag		.376	165		380-3		SGG;OCG;3DB;MM
		.376	185		380-3GC		SGG;OCG;3DB;MM;GC
		.376	210		380-4		SGG;OCG;4DB;MM
		.376	235		380-4GC		SGG;OCG;4DB;MM;GC
		.376	270		380-5		SGG;OCG;5DB;MM
38-40		.401	180		6		BB;RGG;OCG
41 Long Colt		.401	185	PB	121		RGG
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
40 S&W/10MM		.401	125	PB	365		SGG
		.401	190	PB	324		See Photo for details
		.401	135	BB	374		RGG;SWS;SM
		.401	145	PB	360		SGG;REVOLVERS/SINGLE SHOTS ONLY
		.401	155	PB	373		RGG;SM
		.401	155	BB	S359BB		RGG;MM;RSWS
#68 Style in 40S&W		.401	175	PB	332		BB;RGG;SWS;MM
		.401	155	PB	S359PB		RGG;MM;RSWS
		.401	180	BB	359BB		RGG;MM;RSWS
		.401	190	BB	324		SGG;LM
		.401	200	PB	315		RGG;LM
		.401	200	PB	396		RGG;OCG;LM
		.401	220	PB	397		RGG;OCG;LM
41 AE		.410	180	BB	342BB		RGG;SWS;;MEDIUM SHOULDER
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
41 Magnum		.410	79	PB	368		RGG;SWS;LM
		.410	175	PB	255		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.410	175	PB	291		SGG;OCG
		.410	210	PB	253		RGG;LM
		.410	210	PB	256		BB AND GC;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.410	210	PB	261		RGG;OCG;SWS;MM
		.410	210	PB	263		RGG;OCG
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
41 Magnum KEITH		.410	220	PB	258		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
44-40		.427	210	PB	44		RGG;OCG;NDB;LM
		.427	250	PB	44GC		RGG;OCG;NDB;LM
		.427	210	PB	44BB		RGG;OCG;NDB;LM
		.427	205	PB	23		RGG;LM
44		.429/.431	85	BB	443		RGG;LM
		.429/.431	87	PB	350		RGG;LM
		.429/.431	180	PB	180		RGG;LM;RSWS
		.429/.431	180	PB	273		SGG;OCG
		.429/.431	185	PB	245		RGG;SWS;MM
		.429/.431	185	BB	366		SGG;LEEF;LM
		.429/.431	195	PB	340		SGG;OCG;SM
		.429/.431	200		237		GC;RGG;PCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	200	PB	239		RGG;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	200		240		GC;RGG;OCG
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
44		.429/.431	200	PB	241		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	205	BB	330		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	210	BB	271		RGG;SWS
		.429/.431	220	PB	247		RGG;SWS
		.429/.431	225	BB	341		SGG;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	190	PB	142PB		RGG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	230		142GC		RGG;SWS
		.429/.431	240	PB	15 Pic2		GC;RGG;OCG
		.429/.431	240	PB	35		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	240	PB	45		BB & GC;RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
Hollow Point Version		.429/.431	240	PB	45 H.P Pic2		BB & GC; RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	240		235		GC;RGG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	135	PB	107C		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	185	PB	107B		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
44		.429/.431	245	PB	107A		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	225	PB	140PB		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	250		140GC		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	225	PB	521PB		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	250		521GC		RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	270	PB	326		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
KEITH STYLE Nose		.429/.431	250	PB	243		SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	280	PB	367		RGG;OCG;LM
Special Combo Mould		.429/.431	250/290	PB	503S Pic2		SGG;OCG;SWS;EB BAND;LM
KEITH STYLE		.429/.431	250	PB	503		SGG;OCG;SWS;EB BAND;LM
KEITH STYLE		.429/.431	286	PB	503SX		SGG;OCG;SWS;EB BAND;LM
		.429/.431	300	BB	327		RGG;OCG;MM
		.429/.431	300	PB	328		SGG;SWS;LM
		.429/.431	300	BB	343		SGG;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	300	BB	369		SGG;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	320	PB	356		RGG;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	95		352-2		SGG;2DB;LM
Caliber		Diameter	Weight/Grains	Type	Mould Number		Comments
44		.429/.431	130		352-2GC		SGG;2DB;LM
		.429/.431	155		352-3		SGG;3DB;LM
		.429/.431	195		352-3GC		SGG;3DB;LM
		.429/.431	240	PB	352-4		SGG;4DB;LM
		.429/.431	280	PB	352-4GC		SGG;4DB;LM
		.429/.431	335	BB	352-5		SGG;5DB;LM
		.429/.431	255	PB	379-3GC		SGG;3DB;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	300	PB	379-4GC		SGG;4DB;OCG;LM
		.429/.431	335	PB	379-5		SGG;5DB;OCG;LM
45 AUTO		.452	155	PB	358PB		RGG;SWS;SM
		.452	155	BB	358BB		RGG;SWS;SM
		.452	PIC	PB	S242		RGG;SWS;MM
		.452	170	PB	938		SGG
		.452	172	PB	229		RGG;SWS
Same as #130 w/ 2 Grease Grooves		.452	185	PB	163		RGG;LM;
		.452	180	PB	293		RGG;SWS;LM
		.452	180	PB	337		RGG;SWS;MM
.		.452	200	P/BB	68 Pic 2		BB/PB;RGG;SWS;MM
#68 very popular mould. Bullet mould has many variations from standard. Special Weights include: 219gr, 232gr, 231gr,239gr. #68 most common in 4 cavity. Made in Plain & Bevel base.
Special Combo Mould	.452		200	P/BB		68/50	Combo Mould -- BB/PB;RGG;SWS;MM
	.452		219	BB		68BBA	SBB;207GR LINO;RGG;EB;SWS;MM
	.452		232	BB		68BBB	LBB;219 LINO;RGG;EB;SWS;MM
	.452		231	PB		68S	218 GR. LINO;RGG;EB;SWS;MM
	.452		239	BB		68BBS	LBB;226GR. LINO;RGG;EB;SWS;MM
	.452		200	PB		249	RGG
	.452		200	BB		265	SGG;SWS
Same as #34, but 200 gr. Vs 225gr.	.452		200	BB		519	Available with PB; RGG
Caliber	Diameter		Weight/Grains	Type		Mould Number	Comments
45 AUTO	.452		215	PB		78	BB;RGG;SWS;LM
	.452		215	PB		118	BB;RGG;SWS
	.452		215	BB		351	RGG;SWS;LONG TAPERED BOATTAIL;MM
	.452		220	PB		294	RGG;SWS;LONG TAPERED BOATTAIL;MM
USGI BALL PROFILE	.452		225	BB		34	BB;RGG
USGI BALL PROFILE	.452		230	PB		34	PB;RGG
	.452		230	PB		292	BB;SGG
	.452		240	PB		329	RGG;SWS;LM
	.454/.452		185 Pic#3	PB		130	BB;RGG;LM;RSWS
Caliber	Diameter		Weight/Grains	Type		Mould Number	Comments
45 L.C./45 A.R.	.454/.452		160	PB		193	RGG;OCG;LM
	.454/.452		195	PB		312	SGG;OCG
	.454/.452		200	PB		21	RGG;OCG;MM
	.454/.452		250	PB		59 Pic2	RGG;OCG;LM
	.454/.452		200	PB		155	RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
	.454/.452		215	BB		529	RGG;OCG;SWS;LM
	.454/.452		230	PB		16 Pic 2 Pic 3	RGG;OCG
	.454/.452		230	PB		371	RGG;OCG;SWS
	.454/.452		240	PB		46	BB AND GC; RGG; OCG; SWS; LM
	.454/.452		240 Pic 2	PB		502 Pic2	SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
Special Order 502	.454/.452		260	PB		S502	SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
	.454/.452		250	PB		22 Pic2	Pic2 Pic3 RGG;MM
	.454/.452		255	BB		387	RGG;OCG;LM
KEITH STYLE	.454/.452		260	PB		501	SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
	.454/.452		265	BB		339	RGG;OCG;LM
454 CASULL	.4515		300	PB		338	SGG;OCG;SWS;LM
	.4515		219	PB		372-2GC	SGG;2DB;LM
	.4515		257	PB		372-3	SGG;3DB;LM
	.4515		290	PB		372-3GC	SGG;3DB;LM
	.4515		340	PB		372-4	SGG;4DB;LM
Rifle Moulds	Rifle Moulds		Rifle Moulds	Rifle Moulds		Rifle Moulds	Rifle Moulds
22	.223		45	GC		11 Pic2	Pic3 Pic4 Pic5
45-70			360	PB		346	RGG;OCG or TCG;SM
			380	BB		346	RGG;OCG or TCG;SM
			405	GC		346	RGG;OCG or TCG;SM
			410	PB		390	See Photo for Details
			550	PB		102	See Photo for Details
.25-35 Winchester	.251/.260		91	GC		122	See Photo for Details
8MM RIFLE	.323		176	GC		76	?
8MM RIFLE (?)	.323 (?)		?	GC		114	No info on Mold 114 in ledger
.25 Caliber	?		87	GC		5	See Photo for Details

.30 Caliber (30-30)	.308/.311		170	GC		86 Pic 2	See Photo for Details
.30 Caliber	.308		184	GC		99 Pic2	See Photo for Details
.30 Caliber	.308		140	GC		33	See Photo for Details
.30 Caliber	.314		170	GC		20	See Photo for Details
.30 Caliber	.314		173			58	See Photo for Details
? Rifle	?		?	?		109	?
.30 Caliber (Krag)	.308		220	GC		42	1 2 3 4 30-40 Krag Mould

Lyman and Ideal Bullet Molds

Note: First three digits of mold number indicate bullet caliber
Mold #	225036 22536	225096 22596	225107	225209	225230	225322	225353	225415
Bullet Weight GC=Gas Check HP=Hollow Point HB=Hollow Base	40g, 46g, 54g, 60g, 69g, 75g, 84g, 90g, 98g	50g (GC)	37g (GC)	18g, 25g, 33g, 38g, 44g, 52g	47g	55g	43g	55g (GC)

225438	225450	225462	225487	225646	228035 22835	228367	244203	245496
44g (GC)	48g (GC)	57g (GC)	43g	55g (GC)	29g, 36g, 44g, 51g, 59g, 67g, 78g	59g (GC)	60g, 95g	84g (GC)

245497	245498	252435	257016 25716	257019 25719	257020 25720	257021 25721	257205	257231
93g (GC)	99g (GC)	51g	90g, 100g, 110g, 120g, 130g, 140g	70g, 80g, 90g, 100g, 110g, 120g, 130g	46g, 56g, 67g, 77g, 86g, 96g	87g	88g	66g, 88g, 106g

257283	257285	257306	257312	257325	257382	257388	257418	257420
85g	87g	115g (GC)	89g (GC)	113g (GC)	88g	80g (GC)	98g (GC)	65g (GC)

257454	257463	257464	263314	266305	266324	266386	266455	266469
92g	75g (GC)	89g (GC)	90g	101g (GC)	119g	105g	127g (GC)	140g (GC)

266673	280411	280412	280468	280473	280642	287129	287202	287221
150g (GC)	138g	136g (GC)	109g, 114g (GC)	125g (GC)	150g (GC)	124g (GC)	84g, 120g	90g, 105g, 120g, 135g, 150g, 165g, 175g

287308	287346	287373	287377	287405	287442	287448	287641	291379
164g (GC)	135g (GC)	122g	148g (GC)	150g (GC)	139g (GC)	118g (GC)	160g (GC)	138g (GC)

294380	299153	299155	300136	311001 3111	311002 3112	311003 3113	311008 3118	311010 31110
189g (GC)	90g	80g	146g (GC)	200g, 215g, 245g	165g, 182g, 201g	158g, 174g, 188g, 204g, 219g	115g	100g

311014 31114	311023 31123	311025 31125	311033 31133	311041 31141	311157	311206	311224	311227
75g, 100g, 125g, 150g, 175g, 200g	125g	240g	100g	173g (GC)	165g	125g, 170g	195g	90g

311234	311240	311241	311245	311252	311255	311257	311259	311265
120g	92g	125g, 155g	87g	75g	115g	110g	150g, 175g, 200g	125g, 154g

311274	311278	311280	311281	311282	311284	311288	311290	311291
195g	197g	196g	175g	217g	210g (GC)	175g	210g (GC)	170g (GC)

311299	311316	311329	311331	311332	311333	311334	311335	311340
202g (GC)	112g (GC)	185g (GC)	218g (GC)	180g (GC)	197g (GC)	190g (GC)	206g (GC)	188g

311351	311359	311365	311375	311397	311403	311407	311410	311413
158g	115g (GC)	198g (GC)	168g (GC)	153g (GC)	167g	180g (GC)	130g	169g (GC)

311414	311419	311440	311441	311465	311466	311467	311576	311644
150g (GC)	88g (GC)	147g (GC)	117g (GC)	122g (GC)	152g (GC)	177g (GC)	120g (GC)	190g (GC)

311672	311679	313249	314299	316475	319047 31947	319048 31948	319050 31950	319052 31952
160g (GC)	195g (GC)	85g	200g (GC)	155g (GC)	105g, 120g, 135g, 150g, 165g, 180g, 195g, 210g	50g, 120g, 155g	105g	196g

319162	319247	319261	319273	319289	319295	319323	319350	321115
185g	165g	150g	185g	185g	174g (GC)	181g	195g	125g, 150g, 175g

321232	321265	321297	321298	321317	321427	323059 32359	323060 32360	323061 32361
170g	153g	181g (GC)	151g	161g (GC)	134g (GC)	115g	75g, 103g, 125g, 150g, 175g, 200g, 221g	98g

323062 32362	323236	323357	323366	323378	323470	323471	323481	328371
83g	188g	183g	182g (GC)	243g (GC)	165g (GC)	215g (GC)	185g (GC)	151g

338089 33889	338237	338320	338337	350293	350319	350447	350457
247g	145g, 195g	201g	224g	165g	167g (GC)	183g (GC)	250g (GC)

350482	350928	354433	356242	356242B	356402	356404	356472	356632
251g (GC)	62g	158g	90g	120g	120g	95g	140g	100g

356634	356637	356637C	357443	357446	357453	357511	357512	358009 3589
130g	125g (HP)	147g (HP)	158g	162g	151g	107g	130g	282g (GC)

358042 35842	358063 35863	358064 35864	358066 35866	358070 35870	358071 35871	358072 35872	358073 35873	358075 35875
195g	148g	140g	70g (000 Buck)	150g	146g	115g	105g	160g, 200g

358087 35887	358091 35891	358093 35893	358097 35897	358101	358156	358160	358212	358242
125g, 140g	148g	125g (GC)	232g (GC)	75g	155g (GC)	150g	146g	92g, 121g

358250	358238	358269	358271	358302	358311	358313	358315	358318
156g	220g	129g	150g	112g	160g	170g	200g (GC)	245g (GC)

358339	358344	358345	358356	358363	358385	358394	358395	358416
136g	150g	115g	108g	70g	150g	87g	148g	158g

358425	358429	358430	358431	358432	358477	358480	358495	358500
112g, 121g	170g	150g, 200g	160g	148g, 160g	150g	133g	141g	149g

358502	358503	358627	358665	366408	370393	375078 37578	375079 37579	375080 37580
119g	125g	215g (GC)	158g	245g		260g	135g, 170g, 190g, 205g, 245g, 285g, 325g	250g

375081 37581	375082 37582	375083 37583	375084 37584	375086 37586	375164	375165	375166	375167
235g	170g	145g	156g, 176g, 197g, 218g, 238g, 259g, 280g, 301g, 322g	265g	190g	250g	330g	267g

375248	375272	375296	375355	375449	378674	375575	386177	386178
249g	310g	265g (GC)	238g	264g (GC)	335g		196g (GC)	200g

401043 40143	401088 40188	401452	401638	401638	401654	403092 40392	403095 40395	403168
175g	170g	196g	155g (HP)	175g	150g	190g, 225g, 260g, 295g, 330g	145g, 195g	200g

403169	403171	403172	403173	406150	410026 41026	410027 41027	410028 41028	410032 41032
240g	370g	285g	250g, 290g	330g	199g	217g	212g	200g, 205g, 212g, 215g, 220g, 225g

410214	410219	410426	410459	410610	410655	410660	410663	412174
101g, 141g, 181g	375g	240g	220g	215g (GC)	400g	385g	400g	260g

412263	415175	419180	419181	427098	427100	427103	427666	429106
288g	300g	200g	285g	205g	168g	400g	200g	161g

429184	429185	429215	429220	429244	429251	429303	429336	429348
235g	210g	210g (GC)	175g	255g (GC)	255g	200g	250g	180g

429352	429360	429383	429384	429398	429421	429422	429436	429478
245g	232g	245g	241g	248g	245g	235g	214g	210g

429508	429509	429510	429513	429518	429640	429650	429667	433981	436218
220g	170g	190g	150g	245g	250g (HP-GC)	300g (GC)	240g		205g, 245g, 285g, 365g

439186	441267	445369	445599	446109	446110	446187	450225	450229
370g	360g	291g	250g	340g	340g	330g, 400g, 470g	170g	155g

451112	451113	451114	452066 45266	452374	452374	452389	452400	452423
275g, 325g, 380g, 430g, 485g	305g, 365g, 405g	450g	215g	180g (HP)	225g	185g	240g	238g

452424	452428	452460	452484	452486	452488	452490	452491	452505
255g	230g	165g, 200g	225g	193g	195g	255g	220g	190g

452630	452651	452664	454067 45467	454068 45468	454190	454309	454424	454485
200g	325g	250g	200g	175g	250g	235g	255g	250g

454506	457107	457121	457122	457124	457125	457126	457127	457130
190g	445g	215g, 250g, 295g, 340g, 385g, 430g, 475g	290 (HP), 330g	385g	500g	455g	210g	145g

457131	457132	457191	457192	457193	457195	457196	457235	457401
285g	415g, 475g, 535g	292g	191g	405g	225g	290g	505g	195g

457406	457483	457643	457658	457671	462560	465451	470216	490018 49018	500294
475g (GC)	378g (GC)	400g	480g	475g (GC)	545g (GC)	488g	230g, 285g, 342g, 368g, 399g, 417g, 456g, 516g, 575g		447g

501680	509133	509134	512138	515139	515141	515142	518144	518145
375g	385g, 435g, 465g	360g	450g	290 (HP), 330g	450g	515g	285g	350g

533044 53344	533476	538146	557456	557489	575213	575213-OS	575387	575494
415g	410g	347g, 435g, 524g	475g	440g	505g	460g	575g	315g

575602	577030 57730	685069 68569
400g	570g	730g

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