Hunting today was a bust. The Christmas snow had thawed/melted partially and then frozen and can't be crossed quietly. No luck on still hunting. Stopped and called. Had a response but came in from the "wrong" direction (i.e. downwind and in thick brush) and I could not get a shot. There is always tomorrow.

Well, now I've had another disappointment. The 200 gr. MKs would not stabilize in the .30 Herrett barrel!! I was sure they would, since I though it was a 1-10" twist, the load is very close in velocity to that of the .300 Whisper. But no, wait, it isn't a 1-10" or even a 1-12", it is a 1-14"!!!! What happened? Well according to some data I had it had to be a 1-10" or 1-12" but when you look at all the manuals they show their test barrels as 1-14". Apparently, in spite of what is published, mine is a 1-14". I even checked it out.

Oh well, back to the 150s and 130s, the 220s and 200s will just get added to the "I got'em but never use'em" pile. I guess I might try some loads with max effort charges so that I can eliminate velocity as a contributing factor. This is really a non-issue as I can't think of a valid use for the loads. I have no suppressor and don't plan on getting one (not cost effective).

Much has been made of the Trent Lott debacle and how it will affect the President's agenda. What I want to know is how will it hurt shooters and hunters (who often forget that they are shooters, too!)?

I have also got an unending desire for a "real" rifle. That is, a bolt action gun in something bigger than .30-06. Candidates include the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, and the 9.3x62mm Mauser. These are all about the same although the last has some potential for use in Africa (like I'll ever get there). Went to all the local shops and all they have are some over priced (it seems) crap with tupperware stocks. Now I have Rynite on my Contenders but this stuff would make a toy soldier look like it was made out of quality materials. AND they want in the range of $600-1000 for one of these POS.

All I did today was make up some more .30 Herrett cases (a total of 80 I've made and 100 from E A Brown). I also loaded them with what is for now a fireforming load, my sub-sonic load for the Herrett, 11 gr. Alliant 2400 and the Sierra 200 gr. MK. These are all loaded point forward.

I've not been shooting for a while due to weather and not even doing anything gun related for the last couple of days due to work. I am beginning to hate the fact that these 2 days a week intrude on my other interests. Terrible isn't it? I should be happy that I have 5 days a week to "do as I please".

I've just posted the link in the appropriate comments about SGBs about GS Custom Bullets of the Republic of South Africa. Unbeknownst to me they also make monolithic HV and HP bullets which are available in even our smaller calibers, such as .22. I don't think that Barnes makes an X bullet for the .22 Hornet!

I mention that because seeing the listing on the site reminded me that I have to work up some loads for the .22 Hornet, .218 Bee and .223 Remington. I also need to get my .22 WRFM barrel out squirrel hunting so that I can report on the performance of the .22 WRF loads mentioned previously (see the archives). Of course I really need to get down to my daughter's house and help her in-laws reduce the coyote population a bit.

Another task I need to get back to is re-working the .35 Remington loads for both the Contender carbine barrel and my Remington Model 8. I also need to check the zero on the Model 8.

Soon all the VA deer seasons will close. Hunting has not been very successful for me this year. However, I can lay some of that on the weather. It has snowed, iced, sleeted, partially melted and refrozen, etc. so that it is almost impossible to climb the local mountains or to move quietly across the snow. Constant crunching works against you going in and out of the woods. Even if you hunt the south facing slopes, you will eventually be forced onto a patch of crunchy snow/ice mix. One step and you are "outed" to all the deer in the neighborhood. Even squirrels are a might touchy about you moving about in their neighborhood.

Beljan SGB Tool

I received my Beljan SGB tool today. Excellent service by the Beljan Manufacturing as the order was placed last Sunday (including payment by PayPal) and shipped on Monday. The tool arrived today (a Thursday). Cost including shipping was $12. The Hanned Line tool is $39.95.

I bought a .22 Short/CB tool since I already owned a .22 LR tool from the Hanned Line. As mentioned before the Beljan tool comes with a Delrin base (which does NOT fit the Hanned Tool Line SGB tool) which is used to hold the tool (the .22 Short tool IS short!) and to vary the amount removed from the nose of the bullet. I hoped to test a couple today but didn't have an opportunity to do so. Oh well, there is always tomorrow. Also, the quality is right up there with the Hanned Line tool. The finish is a black, not paint, but what it is exactly I don't know. Of course you get some of it to come off as you make your SGB ammo. The best way to store these tools is in an empty 35mm film canister.

Yes, I've made some SGB ammo (i.e. modified the bullets) and I am very pleased. The ammo I am modifying is CCI CB (in the original short case) but any .22 Short ammo can be modified. I do wish there was a tool for the CB in the LR case. This is one level of .22 RF ammo that is truly in need of improvement and this is an easy way to do that. At shorter ranges, say 10 to 60 feet (yes feet) this class of ammunition is sufficient for taking squirrels and rabbits but it often fails to produce quick kills if placement is a bit off. Modifying the bullet form should help in the same way it helps with the standard .22 LR.

I now have a test small game load for the 7-30 Waters. Beartooth Bullets .285 140 gr. LFN GC, CCI 200, 16.5 gr. IMR SR4759, est 1450 fps/654 fpe. Unfortunately, this bullet seated so that the lube is all within the case has it's base below the neck. This is not best for optimum accuracy.

I think that SR4759 is an excellent powder for cast bullet loads in cartridges that are normally thought of as for use with jacketed bullets only. A very bulky powder, it adequately addresses concerns some have with loading density and fillers. Velocities are often in the 1400-2000 fps range. In my loads I am trying to achieve velocities at the low end of the range for use on edible small game and turkeys. This load of 16-18 grains of SR4759 with a cast bullet appropriate to the firearm used is a good one for the .30-30, .30-40, .308, .300 Savage, .30-06, 7.65 Argentine, .303 British, 7-30 Waters, .35 Remington, .358 Winchester and more of similar capacity.

However, one of the practical considerations not often addressed is the length of the lubricated portion of the bullet in relation to the length of the case neck. I think that better accuracy can be achieved when the lubricated portion of the bullet is entirely within the case neck. This is, I think, because the burning powder and the resulting hot gasses burn off the lube and displace the gas check. Logically, if the GC isn't in place it won't do any good, if it isn't between the bullet and the hot gasses it won't protect the bullet and the bullet won't be accurate if the base is deformed when it passes the muzzle.

This makes one look for lighter weight bullets and use lighter powder charges to keep velocities down and consequently reduce tissue damage on game while still having an effective load.

Was recently asked for the lengths of some 7mm/.284" bullets so I thought I might as well post my results and others posted to the TC-L here as well.

Barnes 120 gr. SP - 1.105"
Barnes 140 gr. SP - 1.257"
Beartooth Bullets 140 gr. LFN GC, .934"
Hornady 139 gr. FP, .954"
Hornady 120 gr. SSP, .995"
Hornady 120 gr. SP - 1.007"
Hornady 139 gr. SP - 1.157"
Hornady 139 gr. SPBT - 1.138"
Nosler 140 gr. BallisticTip - 1.2575"
Nosler 120 gr. FPBT - 1.070"
Nosler 150 gr. BT - 1.307"
Nosler 150 gr. Partition- 1.200"
Sierra (Varminter) 100 gr. HP - .883"
Sierra 130 gr. SSP - 1.031"
Sierra 140 gr. SP - 1.110"
Sierra (GameKing), 140 gr Spitzer BT - 1.133"
Speer 130 gr. SPBT - 1.070"
Speer 160 gr. SP - 1.210"

Which brings up an interesting point, the Beartooth Bullets weren't supposed to come for some 4-6 weeks after I ordered them. Despite what they say on their website, they are apparently doing well enough to get these delivered within 2 weeks of the order. I'm very pleased with both the quickness the order was filled and the quality of the bullets. They are outstanding!

We also have this data courtesy of Allory Deiss. "Using the same calipers and bullets along with the Sinclair bullet comparer. This measures to a spot which should be where the rifling starts to contact the bullet, on a .284 bullet this is at .276. I also measured the two 100 grain bullets this time around. These are not careful averages of multiple measurements, but should give you an idea of what overall cartridge length would be if you know casehead to rifling leade."

Length Base- Datum-
Overall Datum Tip
Barnes 120 SP 1.105 0.558 0.547
Barnes 140 SP 1.257 0.692 0.565
Hornady 100 HP 0.880 0.357 0.523
Hornady 120 SP 1.007 0.468 0.539
Hornady 139 SP 1.157 0.540 0.617
Hornady 139 SPBT 1.138 0.562 0.576
Nosler 120 FPBT 1.070 0.454 0.616
Nosler 150 Btip 1.307 0.723 0.584
Nosler 150 Part 1.200 0.638 0.562
Sierra 100 HP 0.891 0.446 0.445
Sierra 130 SSP 1.031 0.498 0.533
Sierra 140 SP 1.110 0.574 0.536
Speer 130 SPBT 1.070 0.555 0.515
Speer 160 SP 1.210 0.669 0.541



Today has been mostly brass sorting and packing. Don't know what I'll do with it all...

Yeah, right!

My sub-sonic .30 Herrett project continues apace. Of course I have to do a dangerous thing, extrapolate data from the .300 Whisper to the .30 Herrett for the 200 gr. bullets. After much hand wringing and such I swagged it and picked 13 gr. 2400 for the 220 gr. Sierra Matchking. That tumbled.

Ok, the books show the .300 Whisper 1-10" twist barrels shooting the 220s ok but evidently that is wrong. So... I go back to my local dealer, er supplier, er, well you know what I mean. Anyway I go and buy a box of Sierra 200 gr. Matchkings. As mentioned earlier I intend to seat them "backwards". Here they are compared with the "standard" (mine) 130 gr. Hornady SSP load. Since I dropped 20 gr. in bullet weight and want to stay below the speed of sound I also dropped the powder charge by 2 gr. I've yet to chronograph these though and will report speeds when I get the chance.

There are a couple of things of note here. First, the seating die is left the same when seating all loads. It may not result in the most accurate ammo but it works for now and saves me problems. I can adjust how far off the lands the varying bullets are later, IF it is worthwhile. However, as a result, the 200 seated backwards and the 130 Hornady transition to the ogive at about the same point. So does the 200 seated forwards! Will this actually help? We'll see.

Second, the 200 seated backwards has a big flat meplat just like the LBT style bullets and looks like a long truncated cone bullet.

As I mentioned a couple of days ago, the reversed bullet is supposed to most closely approximate a water droplet which is supposedly the most efficient sub-sonic shape.

Well, I did NOT go out with the Seneca but took my S&W M422 6" instead. I intended to do some "field testing" of the Winchester Dynapoint .22 LR which had been altered with the Hanned Line .22 LR SGB tool to have the SGB type point. The SGB point is on the left of the picture.

FWIW, the Dynapoint has no hollow point at all, maybe a "dimple" on the points of some bullets. These do NOT expand when fired from the pistol. However, they are pretty accurate in my pistols and so a good candidate for alteration with my SGB tool.

I was able to collect a squirrel using the SGB ammo and my S&W M422.

I've been itching to go squirrel hunting all season. I like trying to put the sneak on these attentive little rodents. However, I don't kill more than a meal (for myself, my wife will NOT partake) at a time to ensure that there are plenty for other hunts. So, today I got bundled up (it is a cold 28 degrees F here and that is cold for here, last year it was 71 degrees F) and drove out to my Mom's place to both visit and see if I could find a squirrel or 2 out and about. Easing down into the woodlot, I came to a favorite mature white oak which had dropped a lot of acorns. Squirrels can often be seen in the vicinity of this old tree even though it sits on the property line and they have heavily logged that side of the fence. Since I have permission to hunt it is no problem to sit at the base of the tree and scan 360 degrees. Hundreds of migrating robins were feeding in the woods all around me. After about 5 minutes I saw movement about 45 yards away at the base of one of the few trees left in the adjoining lot.

I crawled to the far side of my white oak and stood up. I slowly moved around the far side of the tree and across the opening, stopping whenever the fox squirrel showed her head. Soon I was within 25 yards but there was quite a bit of slash between us. I removed my right hand glove with my left hand and used my left hand and right glove to mask my movement as I drew my pistol and flicked off the safety. She sat back up and I could clearly see her shoulder. since this is the approximate range at which I zeroed my pistol, I held on her shoulder as I squeezed off the shot. Instantly all the robins were quiet and there was no sound of thrashing and no sight of the squirrel climbing the nearest tree. I knew I had a good hit and moved directly to where she had been. There she lay, dead. She had simply fallen over backwards off the fallen limb on which she'd been crouched and died.

The bullet entered just behind her right shoulder and exited (the exit wound is just as hard to see as the entry wound) just behind her left shoulder. Everything in between was instantly rendered non-functional. This is a vast improvement over the performance of the unaltered Dynapoints which in the past have taken as many as 7 shots to finally anchor squirrels of similar body size on which they were used.

Although I've got some chores to do this morning, I'll be going out with the Seneca to do a bit of squirrel hunting. A storm front will be moving through late this afternoon and should add a bit of drama (and SNOW!). I hope to get out soon after to use this as a tracking snow. Of course, turkey might be found while I'm out. The Seneca .36 is a good choice for this task as well. There are grouse, but I seldom see them soon enough to even get an opportunity with the rifle.

When I originally decided I'd like to have some .300 Whisper type sub-sonic loads for my .30 Herrett I did a little research. Unfortunately, either I got turned 'round or my source was wrong. 220 gr. Sierra Match Kings will NOT stabilize in a 1-10" twist barrel. It is the 200 gr. bullets that I was wanting, although I didn't know it. The two Match King bullets, the 220 grain is on the left, are shown here side by side for comparison purposes. they are also shown there in the normal flight attitude, i.e. point first. However, this is the way that I intend to send them on their merry little flight to the targets. Traveling base first is the nearest thing to what is supposed to be the most efficient sub-sonic projectile form, the tear drop.

Of course, if it doesn't work, I can always load the rest turned 'round the "correct" way! The load to be tried is 11 gr. Alliant 2400, CCI 200, Sierra Matchking 200 gr. I will also chronograph loads with both bullet seating methods.

Regards sub-sonic load development for the .357 Max:

I carried my S&W M13 to the range. Testing was quick and dirty without any good results but as follows.

The 1 gr. Unique and 1 gr. Bullseye with the buckshot loads were a bust. Just a mild pop but one shot didn't even make it out of the chamber! The 2.5 gr. Bullseye and 205 gr. Leadheads LBTGC worked fairly well. Certainly not a quiet load in the 3" barrel of this revolver but not the barn burner either.

The 14.8 gr. 2400/158 gr. Hornday XTP load was more deep throated than the 125 gr. bulleted "screamers" I've been loading. Those hurt my ears so much that I'd switched to a near copy of the Remington "mid-range" .357 Mag loading. I think that these 158 gr. bullets will be standard for the .357 Mag in my guns.

Regards the sub-sonic load development for the .30 Herrett. I've been thinking that the next step is to make up 20 more cases and load with the 200 Matchking, reversed. This will provide, as closely as possible, what is considered the most efficient sub-sonic projectile shape, the rain-drop. It will also provide a flat meplat for effective use on game (where legal). I will also have to drop the charge from 13 gr. to 11 gr. of Alliant 2400.

This week may not be any more productive than last so far as range work goes. Forecast for much weather that works against good range work, chronographing, accuracy testing, etc. such as sleet, snow and rain.

Well, the Thanksgiving visitors and the weather combined to make the past week unproductive. However, it was more fun than it might have been since I actually got to hunt as opposed to sitting in a ski lodge in WV doing nothing.

I've got lots of projects and I don't mean "honey dos"!

1. Complete sub-sonic load development for the .357 Max barrel.
2. Complete sub-sonic load development for the .30 Herrett barrel.
3. Labeling of all ammo.
4. Updating of reloading spreadsheet (all entries).
5. Ordering of reloading tools (trimmer, new vibrating polisher, bullets, neck turner, etc.).
6. Zero verification of .22 Hornet barrel (and load development).
7. Zero verification of .218 Bee barrel (and load development).
8. Zero verification of .223 Rem. barrel.

I also will be doing some squirrel (and maybe grouse) hunting. Might see a turkey (I've seen lots of sign). Will be scouting for late ML season.

Hunting today was very uneventful. Although the wind and rain/sleet/snow mixture combined to make "noiseless" movement possible no deer were seen. Worse, no sign was found in areas usually rich in rubs, scrapes, and well used trails. Very disheartening.

I've not been reporting here because for the last 3 days I've been in the Canaan Valley of WV. While Davis and Thomas, WV are not strangers to me (I lived my early childhood there and returned some for exercises during my military service) it was a new experience to be a tourist. And... we saw deer. Large healthy does feeding in the open, unafraid. Large racked, healthy bucks being checked in at the game stations. Very unlike western Virginia.

I did carry the 7-30 Waters again.

Went hunting today but although I saw some sign I did not run up any deer. I don't think they are in rut yet. The weather is just now getting cold and there are few scrapes (only 1 or 2 in many acres of deer habitat) and rubs. Very disappointing since I will be unable to hunt the second half of the gun season.

I was going to load those Leadheads 205 gr. .358 LBT GCs in the .357 Mags but the LOA is then too long for the cylinders of my Ruger Speed Six or my S&W M13. No go. I will now load the Hornady XTP HP as my .357 Mag heavy load. I've got lots of the Remington 125 gr. SJHPs loaded. Of course when you light a full 125 gr. bullet load you're lighting a big candle and getting a good ear splitting report. I can't stand even one shot unprotected an my ears will ring for a week. No more, all are shot with hearing protection.

Heavier bullet loads and those toned down to the Remington style mid-range load level are not nearly as bad. That is one reason I'm moving to the heavier bullets. I'm also leaving H110 behind for this application because I feel that it is a contributing factor even if I can't prove it.

All load testing will be put off until December 3rd, weather permitting. That's how it goes.

The truck is fixed.

I've got about 185 of those Leadheads 205 gr. .358 LBT GCs left and I'm going to use some of them in .357 Magnums. I've always thought that might be a good load, we'll now see.

Of course I've got those SG loads ready for testing as well. I'm excited about that, too.

The TC-List is talking about a postal match. I want to shoot my 10" .44 Mag. in that. I think that I'll use the Hornady 240 HPs I've got loaded and just dial them in. However, it is a new project to come up with a load for this barrel (or should I stick with the 300 gr. Hornady XTP load I use in the 21" barrel?).

Has been raining steadily today. May have to take the Swede out. The 6.5x55 and my 7-30 Waters are sighted to have similar point blank range. However, the Swede is unscoped and more rain "friendly".

I did not have a particularly good day hunting. While exploring, I came upon some fresh but unimpressive rubs (by spike bucks?) but only in one location rather than the several "used to be good spots" I went to.

Then, while exploring further, I apparently pushed a buck out of the laurel thicket and into the gun of another waiting hunter. Which points out the fact that hardly anyone moves around anymore, they wait for somebody else to get out there and push the deer to them.

Today, my truck is in the shop for the repairs noted earlier. Sadly, they expected me to drop it off, indicating that they expect to have it all day. Another days hunting lost, score another one for the gremlins of life who conspire to make things difficult or unpleasant for yours truly. Please note that this is a 1995 Dodge Dakota extended cab. I don't think I'll be buying another Dodge. The package is nice but it has had more than it's share of problems.

Yesterday evening, I was doing some reloading in pursuit of the "squib"/small game loads for the .357 Maximum carbine and discovered something. When I attempted to put a mild crimp on a buckshot load (1 gr. Unique, CCI Small Pistol Primer, #2 buck) in a .38 Special case the buckshot the shot stayed in the die. It was a simple matter to turn the seating stem out but with it came about ¼ inch of accumulated lubricant from Hornady's swaged bullets. I thought that was all then looked at the stem (for wadcutter and semi-wadcutter bullets) and could see that the seating stem was completely plugged with lubricant. that's over 3/8 inch of lubricant! Now, I've loaded about 2000 of those Hornady bullets in the .38 Special (I have separate seating dies for .357 Magnum and .357 Maximum) and that was all it took to strip that much lube off the bullets and leave it in the die. Seems I need to learn to clean my die more often. Yes, I did notice the dies going out of adjustment, but it was so subtle that I thought it was just my imagination. I can look back (hindsight being 20/20) and see just what I did wrong. The lesson learned: inspect and clean your dies every reloading session.

However, I am now ready for the next phase of the small game load experiment. I have 20 .38 Special cases loaded with 2.5 grains of Unique (recommended as being less position sensitive than Bullseye and slightly quieter) and the Leadheads 205 grain LBT GC bullet. I also loaded 5 cases with 1 grain Unique and a single #2 buckshot. The intent is to come up with an effective sub-sonic load for squirrel and rabbit.

I also found some 140 grain 7mm/.286 LBT GC bullets at Beartooth Bullets for my small game load in the 7-30 Waters. I suppose that I have it in the back of my mind that I should be able to simplifiy/reduce my gun collection and Contender barrel collection. Yeah, right. I have already had thoughts of a .300/221 (.300 Whisper) and .25-20 Winchester or .25-25 Stevens barrel.

Anyway, it appears that today will be taken up with reloading, working on the office and playing with my dog, Bailey.

Out this first day of regular deer season and a trespasser pushed a single doe past me. Not legal today but exciting and of course there was the anticipation that a buck would follow! Carrying the 7-30 Waters has really given me a lot of confidence as there are few places where I hunt where the ranges exceed 200 yards.

I then went to another area, this on National Forest. This area used to be a big producer. There are deer, you can see the trails but they aren't as defined and certainly fewer large tracks. Lots of small tracks, so similar that they have to be the same deer/does. This is disappointing for more reasons than personal want or desire.

I think that there are a couple of reasons for the population decline.

First and foremost is the lack of food in the area. Formerly, the USFS did more clear cutting which provided browse for deer but the environmentalists and the patterns of forest regrowth have combined to severely curtail that browse. The environmentalists have prevented new clear cuts and the old ones are now so old (20 years or more) that the amount of browse is down.

Second, poaching is up and it isn't about eating anymore. Some "older Americans", older workers for the USFS, on the Deerfield district told me that they had found some 20 deer in a pile, in a ditch. No meat had been taken from the carcasses, they had just been shot and the bodies dumped! If this is happening over a broad area, it can't help. Also, another predator is in the area, coyotes. This has also happened in the last 20 or so years. While coyotes don't concentrate on deer they do take them. I think this is having an effect as well.

Received my TC parts today. I mailed the order on October 28! I was actually upset at first but 18 days with 12 of those in the mail, that's actually expected turn-around. Oh well, I've got the parts now. Will install tomorrow and then after deer season will begin .35 Remington load development all over again.

Well, now I'm highly POed at myself. I will tell you right now that it pays to read and re-read the hunting regulations. Not that I've done anything wrong, rather I've done NOTHING! That is, I did not go muzzleloader hunting. Not at all. Not one minute. I thought that the season was next week. Ought to beat myself about the head and shoulders. At least there will be the late ML season...

For this information see Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries .

Now I know that next week is the regular season. With everything screwed up (due to my own misreading of the regulation), I'll be thrilled to go hunting next week as the week after will be spent with my wife doing nothing.

Ooops, I forgot, I have to take my truck into the repair shop. Why? Because my primary mode of transportation including travel to the range and to hunting areas, has to have the driver's seat back repaired. Why? Because Dodge/Chrysler can't make a bolt that can stand up to over 80,000 miles of travel. Heck I've only folded the seat forward to access the back about 24-26 times in the 7 years I've owned the truck. Glad they don't make rockets/space ships or some other critical items.

It didn't really get me mad when the wiring harness went as I was trying to use my high beams. After all it only took about 2 weeks to get the new part(s) in and install them. 2 weeks I could not use my truck, 2 weeks of repeated excuses. No that didn't get me mad. And it didn't make me really mad when the seat belt started to come apart. Heck, I've got life insurance. But when a $1 bolt goes to hell AND it takes nearly a week to get it in AND the shop says something like "So, you expect us to fix that?", that ticks me off. How many other bolts are about to fail? A lot of them have been more stressed than this bolt in the seat mechanism. And I'll tell you one more thing... I do not like driving like a big city pimp all laid back and steering with one hand. Now, I'm mad.

Went squirrel hunting/scouting today. No pics, since I'm not really a camera oriented guy but I did get one old boar with my S&W M422 (6" adjustable sights) and a Winchester Dynapoint. Now somebody may be able to provide a link to Dynapoints but I have to think that they are no longer in production. Most have no hollow at all, and I suppose that the little hollow in the point was really created with the idea that they would be used at rifle velocities. Accurate enough, they just don't expand at pistol velocities are are consequently no better than standard velocity solids. On the other hand the SGB type bullet is very effective and like a Keith style bullet does not rely on expansion to be effective. More like an early LBT design, this bullet does really well on small game such as squirrel and rabbit. Much better performance than solids and from pistols it is about the best performer out there. Pistols just don't seem to generate the velocities necessary for good expansion. The only exception to this is the Winchester Power Point round (developed by Australians!).

Not any more! I've run a bunch through the Hanned SGB Tool (the Beljan version is shown here) which results in a flat point. I understand that Alan Taylor developed the concept and the Hanned Line is unfortunately now out of business. CCI attempted to recreate this point with their SGB load but that bullet necessarily lacks the sharp corners that you get with the tool as you can see in this comparison photo of a modified and an unmodified Dynapoint. The only suggestions I have are these:

1. Wear rubber/latex gloves. These make it easier to clean up after and don't allow that lead dust you get from filing to get under your fingernails. All the more important if you cook for your family especially for your children.
2. Remember to chalk your file and clean it regularly with a good file card or you will be buying many files. That sort of negates any cost savings for really effective .22 LR ammo.

I'd like the thoughts of my reader(s) on the following.

I have a .30 Herrett 14" barrel for my Contender. Modified with a Choate extension welded on to meet minimum barrel length requirements for use with the butt stock. Using the Sierra 110 gr. RNSP meant for the .30 Carbine, 23 gr. 2400 and the CCI 200 primer, I got this group for 20 shots! No, there aren't 20 shots in the picture. 4 shots are completely off the paper! The range? 50 yards!

It makes you wonder if the minor "problems" people say they have with .30 M1 Carbine accuracy might be traced back to the bullet design used in the .30 Carbine ammunition.

After the comments vis-a-vis the Encore slug barrels and benchresting slug guns I dug mine out for the range. I did not, as suggested, take a towel. I don't regret that, but will say that my cheek took a far worse beating than my shoulder. One thing that really got me was that I've not got any of the Brenneke loads I thought I had. So, will have to stock up. This is a good loaner gun.

The weather was not conducive to really good shooting. There was a very strong crosswind with gusts to 30 mph but normally blowing about 10 mph, right to left. Yeah, right! With those big slugs and at 50 yards that wind didn't have nothing to do with nothing.

First, I went to the 25 yard range. One shot with an old Winchester BRI sabot round, a Winchester Foster type slug and a Federal (now that one kicked!) proved that all were in the bull at that range. With all the complaining, I don't think that any of you will begrudge me not wasting good slugs at that range. However, I had along a box of those Aguila mini-shells. No, they don't feed through my Mossberg nor do they feed through my Winchester Ranger/1200/1300 (kinda like Johnny Cash's Cadillac!) but you can single load them fine. They don't kick much and also shot to point of aim at 25 yards. HOWEVER, I doubt they have enough power to do for deer in most people's world. I think that they are really an anti-personnel round, pure and simple.

I next moved to 50 yards and fired 5 Winchester BRI slugs. On target but giving a 6 inch "group". I actually did better with the foster type slugs putting one in the bull!

Although most shots would have taken a deer at 0-50 yards I don't think I'd like to try much longer ranges.

Another fellow was shooting a Mississippi Rifle at the 50 yard butt. For those in the dark that was a .54 caliber rifle used prior to and during the Civil War. The fellow's name is D. Greene and he makes target barrels for the NSSA fraternity. He was there testing a barrel. Shooting from a rest with a charge of 42 grains of GOEX FFFg he was shooting the center right out of that 50 foot slow fire pistol target. Same target I was using, at the same range but I was not doing as well as he was.

For those interested in how often one is supposed to clean, etc., Mr. Greene (who has built 491 "Kentucky" rifles) fired 15 shots on the one target with only one shot out of the bull (by about ½ inch and his first) and then another 15 shots with another type, lighter bullet. That bullet put them all together in the upper half of the bull with 3 shots out. That is 30 shots without cleaning and he stayed seated to load, thumbing each bullet into the muzzle to start it and only using 2 fingers and a thumb to push the bullet home. Mr. Greene is 74 years old, is a retired tool and die maker, and served in WWII as a navigation instructor.

It is raining and forecast to rain all day today so I won't be shooting. I've got some cases in the tumbler and I'm at the computer doing mostly Foundation work such as updating the member DB and balancing the checkbook (I'm treasurer, librarian, webmaster, and all around nice guy). Monday (yesterday) was also a nogo because of rain. However, with a 2 year deficit in rain and a depleted water table the long slow rains we've had lately are most welcome. I just can't complain.

Tomorrow, I will probably be out and about with my Seneca. The forecast is for partly cloudy and 72 degrees Farenheit! Great day for squirrel hunting and scouting.

If I have to do anything else, I'll probably take the Seneca to the range for chronograph tests and some testing at targets. Next week will be the Virginia muzzleloading season. Hope to do well there, but have no single spot decided on.

I did not get to the range today. Sadly, it seems that even the old retirees have to work to make money for shooting. The democrats ought to come up with a government program to fund old fart shooters (OFS, pronounced oafs). $200 a month sounds right! Not that $200 would cover all my shooting, but it sure would help. Heck if the government can come up with $200 a month for my medications, why not for shooting. Shooting does a lot more for my health than those darn pills the doctor(s) prescribe.

Ok, ok, I'm joking. No money from the government, no new taxes. Heck we won this past election, big time! Big relief to me as well. I think it shows that the Democrats drifted too far to the left and John Q. Public didn't buy their brand of manure. Not that they will be in any better shape next time (2004) since they will apparently not learn their lesson and have a Kalifornia Liberal as House minority leader. But it all pays off for shooters as we have a strong case to make with the party in power that they would NOT be where they are but for us.

I hope to do some actual hunting Monday. Will take the Seneca out for a bit of squirrel culling and scouting. There are a number of places to check out and I'll be going there.

Thompson-Center Seneca

For those of you who might be interested: I got my Thompson Center Seneca as a Christmas gift from my father in 1973. I enlisted in the military soon after so I didn't get to shoot it for almost 8 years! A .36, my dad intended that I use it to target shoot and hunt squirrels with. I would have liked a .45 at the time and eventually I got one. Not a whole rifle but an extra barrel from Fox Ridge Outfitters, the home of the Thompson Center Custom Shop.

I'm really pleased with this rifle, very good quality and accurate. In the .36, I shoot 25 grains of Pyrodex P with a patched .350" round ball and a CCI #11 cap. I've never chronographed it but it is accurate to 50 yards although almost all squirrels are taken at 15-30 yards. The .350" ball is decisive on squirrels, rabbits, and groundhogs. MUCH better than the .22 LR. I've also experimented with the .36 MaxiBalls and 60 grains of Pyrodex P or FFG for use on coyotes and such. Unfortunately, I've never had the opportunity to shoot a coyote with this load. I've also tried the .350 round ball with a poly patch and 60 grains of powder. This is a fast stepping load, about 2000 fps, which really does the deal on groundhogs at up to 100 yards.

The .45 barrel is another great shooter. My intention was to use this barrel to hunt deer with the Seneca. Unfortunately (again!) the barrel has not yet been "blooded". It does shoot well though. My load is 80 grains of Pyrodex RS or GOEX FFG with the 285 grain Hornady Great Plains bullet. I did try another brand of blackpowder with this barrel but the fouling was hard and noticeably more. I was able to reduce its effects somewhat by filling the hollow base of the bullet with Wonder Lube (Bore Butter). Sorry, but I can't remember off the top of my head what brand powder that was. This is a powerful load which nearly equals the .45-70 and is more powerful than the .44 Remington Mag from a rifle length barrel.

The nice thing about a .45 is that you can also shoot the .440" round ball, patched of course, with a 30 grain charge for rabbits and squirrels.

The limiting factor here is the single shot (but as you've already seen, I shoot a lot of single shots) and lack of optical sights. I do have an aperture sight on this gun and that was my compromise between the nearly unusable sights (for my eyes for hunting) that came on the barrels and the bulky and very un-traditional scope sights. Having shot aperture sights all my life, it is not a problem to use these.

I will have to do some chronographing of these guns with my favorite loads and report the results here. I think that there is too little empirical data on the muzzleloaders as they are actually used and shot.

.357 Remington Maximum "Silent" Loads

Range work today consisted of checking impact and accuracy of a proposed squib/"silent" load for the .357 Maximum Contender 21" barrel. Load is the 205 gr. Leadhead GC in Winchester .38 Special cases with 2.5 gr. Bullseye and CCI small pistol primer. The load was not chronographed today due to range "congestion". Accuracy at 25 yards (top photo)was 7/8" for 5 shots (looks like 4, doesn't it?). I think that if you re-sighted this would be perfectly acceptable for small game at this range. Accuracy at 50 yards (bottom photo) was also excellent, the group measured 1 3/8" but might have been tighter if the wind had let up some. Time to impact was noticeable and some workers cleaning the range behind the line did not think I was actually shooting. They had to come over and see what was going on and stood right behind me for 3 shots with no hearing protection. Several shooters stopped what they were doing and looked over at me to see what was "wrong"! Recoil was nil as expected.

Assuming this bullet is moving 450-600 fps, energy would be in the range of 90-160 fpe and recoil was just .66-1 fpe in a 5.5 lb rifle! Surely somebody would have use for this as a training round.

It was suggested that I load these squib loads in .357 Maximum cases. I have thought of that but... I want to do a couple of things here:

1. Avoid the use of fillers to hold the powder against the primer. This would be mandatory in the long Maximum case.
2. Be able to differentiate between the different load types. I already have a full effort load using this same bullet in the Maximum case. It would be very difficult to tell the 2 apart.
3. I also want to use this load, maybe, in my revolvers. I don't have a .357 Maximum revolver but I do have 3 .38 Special or .357 Magnum revolvers.

In fact, that full effort load in the .357 Max is NOT as accurate as these squib loads at these ranges (25-50 yards). I'm going to be using some more case refinement techniques and a different powder in an attempt to improve this.

I took the 7mm TCU to the range today. The weather started off very pleasant but as a storm front moved through, the wind must have hit 25 mph! Made shooting impossible.

However, before the big wind, I was able to work around the other shooters and shoot out to 100 yards. Since I still have some of the 130 gr. Sierra loads I checked zero with those. Right on at 100 yards but when the wind came up it was apparent that these loads are pretty wind sensitive. A 10-25 mph cross wind would drift the bullet a good 3-4 inches at 100 yards. This load uses the CCI 400 primer with 29.4 gr. H4895 and the Sierra 130 gr. SSP for 2460 fps from my 21" factory barrel. I bought this barrel from RJ's Guns about 5 years ago and it is an earlier barrel with only a single dovetail lock. I think it does shoot well.

One thing, this is the first 7mm TCU barrel I got. The second was a 10" that I intended to use for IHMSA production class. Unfortunately, there are no matches within 100 miles of here! So, I've not shot it enough to really wring it out. One thing I did discover was that brass formed for the 21" was a tad too long, base to shoulder, to allow the gun to lock up properly on the 10" barrel. Setting the shoulder back a "smidgen" (I had to experiment to do this a minimal amount) allows both barrels to use the same ammo.

For those interested, the above mentioned load gets only 2040 fps in the 10" barrel, almost exactly 400 fps less than the 21" barrel.

Another thing. Everytime I go to the public range, I get to see the "public" shooting. This can be very interesting! Today was no exception.

Today, there were a couple of younger (younger than me, maybe 25-35 years old) shooters. They had several rifles and were working in conjunction with (or were just acquainted with) a couple of older shooters to their right. They had a Outers Varminter Rest, which they were using with a Browning BAR in .308. Unfortunately they were resting the barrel directly on the rest rather than resting the forearm on the rest. Since the rest is hard, I would expect that the rifle would shoot "away" from the rest much as when you rest the barrel across or against a limb or tree. They were having a devil of a time getting it zeroed. First, they'd shoot on the rest then try to check the zero without the rest. Since it wasn't right, they'd put the gun back on the rest. I don't think that the rest allows the rifle to be set up with the forearm on the forward arm of the rest. Anyway, their machinations were intriguing to watch. I can't for the life of me understand why some of these shooters who appear to be so sophisticated, judging by the equipment they have, have such a limited understanding of the equipment.

Took the Swede out this morning. This is getting boring. Iron sights and it still shot 1.5 - 2 inch groups. No change to zero!

Next good free day, I'll be taking my 7mm TCU. I had been shooting the 130 gr. Sierra SSP but am now loading the Hornady 120 gr. SSP. Much easier to find AND cheaper. I doubt that there is one bit of difference in performance.

I've yet to zero or check zero on my .22 Hornet and .218 Bee barrels. I'll might be using these for coyotes (or maybe not). I've got a couple of boxes of the Hornady 35 gr. SSTs for the Hornet.

I plan on taking my M96 Swede (that was "sporterized"). I've added a William FPRS and it used to shoot just fine. Will be checking the zero with the Norma 139 gr. Vulkan bullet load.

I used to load Hornady or Sierra 140 gr. bullets but quit. Have now loaded all my empty brass with 160 gr. Hornadys. Got on the heavy bullet kick but the 140s are really the bullet for this 6.5mm cartridge.

Now to vent about something else. Federal has gone and changed their .45-70 300 gr. load. Now using the Speer rather than the Sierra bullet. I am REALLY disappointed I will just have to go straight to reloading (as with everything else), to maintain a consistent load. Can't count on the factories to keep using a single bullet. And not only do they shoot to slightly different POI, but the 2 bullets behave differently in game! Maybe I preferred the old bullet. I sure hope this was not a bean counter decision...

I had a wonderful day at the range today. Finally got down to the .30-30 Contender 21" barrel, 2½X scope, and off to the range I went. Ammo used is some long ago loaded 170 gr. Sierra .307 FPs in misc cases with 30 grain IMR 3031 and CCI 200 primers. This load gets an actual 2200 fps from this barrel. Hornady 170s get an even 100 fps less. My theory is that the difference in diameter between the 2 bullets makes that much difference. I've even gone up one (1) grain to 31 grains IMR 3031 with the Sierras but this is too much with the Hornadys in this barrel or in my 1894 carbine. Since the loads might be used in both, I keep it simple and use the Sierras in the Contender and the Hornadys in the Winchester (made in 1943).


Accuracy was pretty good as you can see. The 100 yard group came in at about the expected 1½ inches for 6 of the 7 shots but the real surprise were the 2 (3 shot) 150 yard groups at about 1.5 and 1.75 inches. I'm really pleased. Allowing for the incline, I think that I have a good 165 yard point blank range with this load. About that first group, I wanted to go for 10, but kept getting interrupted by other shooters, new shooters coming on line, etc. Aside from being rude, this made me change my position. Clearly this is a problem I have in that I have 3-2 shot pairs. The barrel can shoot but I can't! Still 4 of those 7 shots went under 3/4 inch and 3 groups of 2 were touching.

This is why people add the caveat, "when I do my part" to their descriptions of their groups. Now that I have time to shoot, I, more than ever, want my own private range.

Perhaps someday somebody will be able to explain to me why they throw away expensive once-fired brass. I see (and pick up for my own friends' use) all sorts of magnum brass laying about at the range every time I go. It is simply beyond this man's understanding how anyone can let that brass lay there. If nothing else put it back until you have enough to make reloading it economical for yourself or to make a gift to a friend who reloads.

Here is the typical .45-70 group from yesterday. Range 100 yards, 5 MPH crosswind, Federal Classic 300 gr. Sierra Gameking at 1800 fps from the 24" Contender barrel, 2½X scope, sitting supported.

The recoil on this light rifle can be a little daunting. I was just getting used to it when I shot this group. The rifle probably shoots better than I can hold it, the rifle is awfully light. It only weighs about 5-1/2 to 5-3/4 lbs loaded.

Just received my mail and in it, a copy of Townsend Whelen's "The American Rifle". 1st Ed!

Should be interesting reading. Shows a picture of Dr. Mann's 200 yard (!) covered (!!) rifle range. Nice little house to load and shoot from as well. WOW! Wish I had one.

Discusses various cartridges of the time period in which the book was written and a lot of time is given to the service rifles and their cartridges.

Of course, I haven't read it yet, but it won't be long until I've gone through it a couple of times.

Well, it is raining again so I won't be taking the Seneca for a hunt. Do need to track down some H4227 though...

Will probably load some .357 Max as well.

You might have noticed some of my groups are in, well, sub-groups. I seem to have a lot of problem being consistent for a full 5 shots with the Contender because I change position so much when shooting. I've tried to mitigate that quite a bit by trying certain techniques but as you can see I often put 3 rounds together and then the next 2 together or 2 pairs, or have one shot just out of the 3 shot group. I don't think it is the gun, I think it is just me.

Of course, I've just started shooting from a bench quite a bit and am not using bags. If I can get somebody to go with me I'll post a digital pic of my technique. What I am trying to do is ensure that the gun is responding to recoil as it would in the field from field positions. To that end I rest my elbows on the bench and shoot from what might best be termed a sitting supported position.

Contender Parts Lists

For those needing access to parts lists for the Contender, they are posted here courtesy of Steve:

Contender® Blued Model Parts List


Contender® Assembly Drawing


Contender® Carbine Model Parts List


Contender® Carbine Assembly Drawing


Contender® Sight Chart


Contender® Twist Rates List

I sucked it up and went to the range. Not really so bad although it did come down a couple of times. The shooting benches are covered and the rain wasn't being blown so I was pretty comfortable.

Shot the .22 WRFM barrel on the Contender. 16¼ inches long, I've got a 3-9X mounted on it. Zeroed at 25 yards with the Federal Premium load and then checked the Winchester .22 WRF load. Found that if I moved the .22 WRF load up to center the 25 yard target, the Federal load was just above that. Still in the black on 50 foot target centers, this means that the gun is now zeroed for both loads.

I wanted to do this so that I could hunt groundhog size game with the .22 WRFM and switch to the .22 WRF for squirrel and rabbit.

Also tried some CCI ammo, but as usual, was unimpressed. Does "boom" more though. Why though, should I be unimpressed. See my .22 WRFM/.22 WRF groups for an idea of how good these groups are. 50 foot smallbore target at 25 meters.

A good day for brass pick ups. Lots of once fired .30-06, .243 Winchester and some 7mm Rem Mag. About half of the .30-06 was nickel! Somebody please explain why people don't pick up their brass if only to sell...

Oh, and no snow tomorrow. The Seneca goes out for the first time this fall!!

Today it is raining again (for the 2nd day in a row). No shooting I guess so will be reloading. Probably just as well as my wife has brought home a cold (which she kindly shared with me).

Need to get out hunting. Will take the .36 ML squirrel hunting, tomorrow? Some say it will snow. Don't really want to deal with that!

While it has been raining, I've been filling cases and making new .30 Herrett brass.

One thing though... Last week I had an interesting experience.

I've got a .35 Rem barrel for my Contender. A factory 21", I got it when I got my first frame. Data from the late Mel Sorg helped me get it up and running. I do mean running. While I won't repeat the data here, it would push a 180 at 2400+, 200 at 2300+, and 220 at 2100+. Still, case expansion did not exceed safe limits. I thought all was well and fired over 100 rounds of this ammo through the barrel. Even took it hunting. Last week, while waiting for my ISP to come back on line, I managed to get to the range with this barrel to check relative zeroes with the various loads. First up, the 220s. First round in the bull at 25. Right where it should be at this range. Second round, side by side with the first, but... the case stuck AND it bent the extractor. This is a sure sign of excessive pressure in the Contender.

Well I couldn't unload it and so right back in the case it went and right back home I went. Very simple to do, I removed the extractor and soon discovered it wasn't repairable and so I ordered 2 more (+ 2 more of the springs for rimless extractors and 2 more hammer springs, just in case). Now I've broken down all the 220 grain bulleted ammo and will take the barrel out (with a rod to knock out cases) and see just how it does with the 200s and 180s.

Why is this interesting? Because in 5 years of storage the ammo went from OK to over the top. I may have to drop a full 2 grains (about .5%) of the charge. Velocities should drop to 2200, 2100 & 1900 fps respectively. Acceptable, but not the barn burners I thought I had. However, they will be safer and not just for me but for those who take my guns (and ammo) once I've moved on to the "other side"!

After examination of all data and cases I've concluded that I'll be using the W748 with the Nosler 140 gr. BT. Now to move to the next project!

More disappointment. I have no idea why my 21" barrel seems "fast" with factory ammo and slow with 140 grain bullet reloads. I can also easily match factory velocities with the 120 grain bullet reloads (2700+ fps). However, I really want to use the heavier bullets and get a point blank range of about 250 meters. The 140 at 2400 will do that but I suppose I'm guilty of wanting more speed and wanted 2500 fps. That is just not going to happen.

H4895, 33 gr. - 2358 fps; W748, 35.2 gr. - 2413 fps; H335, 32 gr. - 2366 fps; H322, 31.1 gr. - 2399 fps.

Seems that W748 (back to square 1) and H322 have the best potential. H322 did not exhibit any signs of excessive pressure (see Ken Waters about his methods) and I will re-examine W748 cases for expansion but I think that 35.2 grains is indeed the max charge with this powder. The charge with W748 is very accurate so that will probably be the load I use.

I think that it is interesting that there really is not that much difference between max charges of any of these powders. Availability or personal preference should play a big part in this choice.

Well, more disappointment today. The 7-30 Waters load with the 139 grain Hornady FP and W748 did not achieve the velocities expected. I will have to look for another powder, possibly H335. VERY disappointing. This load did shoot ok in that it was accurate and was right on at 25 yards.

Well today was a rather disappointing day at the range. Although the rain let up in time to do some shooting and the chronograph worked, other things did not work as expected.

.30 Herrett Sierra 220 grain Matchking, 13 grains 2400, CCI 200, velocity 1260 fps. All bullets keyholed!

7-30 Waters, Hornady 139 grain FP, 34 grains W748, CCI 200, velocity, approx 2350 fps. Very accurate, very slow. MUCH slower than expected.

Also, I did receive my 7.65x54 Argentine brass from Graf and Sons. Made by Hornady and headstamped "Frontier" and still showing the annealing color. Looks good. Now I've got to get more 215 grain bullets for my 1891 carbine.

Tomorrow, weather permitting I'll go to the range to test both the 220 grain .30 Herret loads and the 139 grain 7-30 Waters loads.

I put some pics of groups up on my site.

The first is my .357 Maximum using the 180 gr. Hornady SSP. I shot this group at 100 yards and knew I was doing well then pulled the 5th shot. Thought that I'd shoot a sixth to make a nice braggin' size 5 shot group and pulled that, too. To heck with it. It is still a darn nice group from a 21" factory TC Contender barrel and proves that the Hornady 180 grain SSPs will shoot despite some detractors.

The second is my .44 Magnum. I had fired 4 shots and the shooter next to me noticed the rain come across the mountain. We sprinted to save our targets. Sorry it isn't 5 shots.Shows that this load with the 300 grain Hornady XTP will shoot as well. I'm sure that big bullet will penetrate as well.

I've been doing a lot of shooting at the range lately. Met 2 interesting fellows, Wimpy (sp?) Martin of McGaheysville and Fred Zimmer of Hairston.

Wimpy is originally from Craigsville and shoots a TC Contender carbine set up like mine, blue on Rynite. Gave me a BUNCH of brass, over 200 each .30-06 and .30-30 plus some other cartridges. Those on the .30-06 case head I'll be reforming to 7.65x54mm Argentine. Some of the .30-30 will be converted to .30 Herrett. The RP .30-06 cases will go to my son-in-law for reloading with his favorite 165 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip.  (note: as of 13 Apr 2010 I've not given these cases to Ben.  He moved on to a .300 Rem Ultra Mag and now to a 7-08.  I'll use them for the Garand.)